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, but some of it is definitely the affordable care act and it's changed the psychology of healthcare that we really have to get serious about controlling costs and doing better for people by controlling costs. one of the places we'll see a big, big difference is attention to people with chronic illness. knows are the people who use the health care system. and the best places now are really focusing on them, predicting who they are, giving them a lot of services. i refer to it as v.i.p. care for people with chronic and mental illness. that will be the wave of the future. >> gene? >> zeke, last time you and i talked about the affordable care act, you said president obama should have appointed a ceo to roll out the program and make sure that it functioned the way it should. >> right, right. >> is that still a valid criticism, still your criticism? how do you think things are going now? >> it's not a criticism. in 2010 when we passed a legislation and i was still in the white house, it was a suggestion. look, the website and the exchanges are really an e-commerce business and need to be run like
of the affordable care act. they will ever have to go bankrupt because of a health-care bill. if you look at the record, it used to be the case that the reason most people in america filed for personal bankruptcy, health-care bills. he center dot or to the hospital and you could not pay the final bill -- you send your. at the hospital and you cannot pay the final bill and he went bankrupt co. in terms of what might happen if the republicans try to repeal the affordable care act, if you are on minimum wage, it is even tougher, because the only reason today that some of these minimum wage workers will have access to health care is because of the affordable care act. they will be able to afford -- they will have to pay something but not that much, because you and i as taxpayers are helping them through tax credits. that is why already today 13 million, closed up 14 and nine -- close to 14 million americans have health security. host: the publicans think they have the edge over the issue of health care. -- the publicans think they have the edge over the show health care. "the new york times"
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